파이오니아 리시버 정보 모으기. sx-828/838/850

SX-838 리시버의 등장으로 산스이와 어깨를 나란히 하게 된다.

‘파이오니아’의 전성시대 `

‘산수이’와 쌍벽을 이루는 오디오 메이커로 ‘파이오니어’가 있습니다. 매니아들에게는 ‘빠이오냐’로 불려집니다. 일본에는 ‘켄우드’, ‘테크닉스’ , '소니' 등의 많은 오디오 회사가 있었지만, 산수이와 제대로 경쟁다운 경쟁을 했던 회사는 단연 파이오니어뿐 이었습니다.

 파이오니어는 70년대말, 롯데를 통해 SX-580, SX-680, SX-780 등의 모델을 OEM으로 만들어 판매한 적이 있으므로, 우리나라 오디오 매니아들에게는 무척이나 친숙한 메이커입니다(하지만, 이로 인해 국내에서의 파이오니아 인기가 급속 냉각되는 이유가 되었음). 이때 만들어진, 이들 기기들은 가격대 성능비가 뛰어나서, 30년이 지난 지금도 잘 쓰고 계시는 분들이 많고, 샵이나 장터에서도 종종 볼 수 있습니다. 국내의 많은 매니아들 중에는 이 파이오니어 리시버로 오디오를 시작하신 분들이 많은 이유도 이런 이유라고 생각합니다.

파이오니어社는 70년대 중반까지 산수이에 다소 밀리는 경향이 있었지만, 70년대 중반 이후에는 파이오니어의 인기 시리즈였던 ‘50시리즈’를 내세워 전세(戰勢)를 거의 역전시킨 것으로 기억됩니다.  이것이 가능하게 된 이유로써는 일단 동일한 출력인 제품인 경우, 가격이 산수이에 비해 훨씬 저렴했고, 녹턴형이 아닌 사이드 조명 방식을 산수이보다 훨씬 먼저 채택하는 등의 이유였다고 생각합니다. 파이오니어社는 이러한 앰프에서의 선전(宣戰)에 힘입어, 70년대 중반에는 JBL의 기술자를 영입하여 스피커를 개발하기에 이르게 됩니다. 이때 개발되었던 스피커들이 유명한 HPM 시리즈입니다. 이러한 HPM 시리즈는 지금도 매니아들 사이에 인기가 많습니다.

‘50시리즈’ 이후에는 아나로그식 리시버 중에서 가장 미려한 외관이라고 평가되는 ‘80 시리즈’가 등장합니다.  이들 모델들은 캔티알이 사용되지 않은 제품이었지만, 재생되는 음질은 전작인 ‘50시리즈’ 못지않게 좋았던 것으로 기억됩니다. 하지만, 80년 이후 디지털 튜닝 메터가 장착되는 모델부터는 산수이와 마찬가지로 급격히 소리의 질이 떨어졌던 것으로 알려져 있습니다. 

파이오니아 연보

1936년

福音상회 설립.

1961년

파이오니아 주식회사로 개명.

'PL-3' 발매. 턴테이블.

1971년

'SX-800T' 발표. 리시버.

'SX-1000T' 발표. 리시버.

'SX-9000' 발표. 리시버. 50+50W.

‘SX-990' 발표. 리시버.

'SX-110' 발표. 리시버.

‘SX-424' 발표. 리시버. 12+12W.

‘SX-626' 발표. 리시버. 25+25W.

'SX-828' 발표. 리시버. 45+45W

'SX-1500TD' 발표. 리시버. 58+58W.

‘SA-800' 발표. 인티앰프.

‘SA-1000' 발표. 인티앰프.

‘TX-800' 발표. 튜너.

‘TX-1000' 발표. 튜너.

1972년

‘SX-727' 발표. 리시버. 32+32W

‘SX-525' 발표. 리시버. 17+17W 

‘SX-770' 발표. 리시버. 20+20W.

1973년

리시버

‘SX-434'  15+15W. 'SX-636'  25+25W. ‘SX-838'  50+50W.

( SX-838 의 폭풍인기로 드디어 산수이와 어깨를 나란히~ )

인티앰프

‘SA-500A' , ‘SA-5200' , ‘SA-7100' , ‘SA-8100' 40+40W , ‘SA-9100' 60+60W.

튜너

 ‘TX-5200' , ‘TX-6100'  ,‘TX-7100' ,‘TX-8100' , ‘TX-9100' .

1974년

리시버 ‘SX-535'  22+22W , ‘SX-737'  35+35W , ‘SX-939'  72+72W , ‘SX-1010'   110+110W. ( SX 737 과 939 는 838 의 인기에 후속으로 나왔으나, 838보다 못함)

인티앰프 ‘SA-5500' 발표.  15+15W.

'Exclusive M-4' 발표. 파워앰프. 50+50W(A급). 

‘TX-5500' 발표. 튜너.

1976년

‘SA-9900' 발표. 인티앰프. 110+110W.

리시버 ‘SX-450'  15+15W. ‘SX-550'  20+20W. ‘SX-650'  35+35W. ‘SX-750'  50+50W. ‘SX-850'  65+65W. ‘SX-950'  85+85W. ‘SX-1050' 120+120W. ‘SX-1250'  165+165W. ‘SX1000TW'  50+50W.

인티앰프 ‘SA-7500'  40+40W. ‘SA-8500'  60+60W. ‘SA-9500'  80+80W.

‘TX-8500' 발표. 튜너.

‘TX-9500' 발표. 튜너.

‘HPM 시리즈’ 개발.

1977년

인티앰프

‘SA-5500Ⅱ'  18+18W , ‘SA-6500'   30+30W.‘SA-6500Ⅱ' 35+35W.‘SA-7500Ⅱ'  45+45W , ‘SA-8500Ⅱ' 65+65W , ‘SA-9500Ⅱ' 85+85W.

1978년

‘SX-580' 발표. 리시버. 20+20W. ‘SX-680' 발표. 리시버. 30+30W. ‘SX-780' 발표. 리시버. 45+45W. (하급라인인 SX780까지 롯데에서 OEM 생산, 이 때부터 대중화와 동시에 한국에서 인기 저하! )

‘SX-880'  60+60W. ‘SX-980'  90+90W.‘SX-1080'  120+120W , ‘SX-1280' 185+185W , ‘SX-1980' 270+270W.

인티앰프. 디지털 메터. - 음질 저하로 인기 X

‘SA-5800' 35+35W , ‘SA-6800'   50+50W.‘SA-7800'  65+65W , ‘SA-8800'  80+80W , ‘SA-9800' 100+100W. 

유영록 

2003-04-15

00:00:40

어디까지나 제 주관적인 소견입니다만, 파이오니아 리시버는 위의 QX-949처럼 푸른 LED를 가진 SX-828/838/939/1010 그리고 QX-*** 시리즈가 더 좋은 소리를 내주더군요. 황색 불빛을 가진 기기들보다 나이는 몇살 더 많지만요..

이웅선 

2003-08-21

23:03:29

QX747이라고 지금 위모델보다 하나 아래의 모델을 써본적이 있는데.. 정말 괜찮습니다.

 1250은 약간은 메마른 소리 였습니다..부드러움이 떨어지더군요. 

전에 SX-850을 구했고...이번에는 SX-1250을 구했습니다. 

전면에 주파수 표시창이 약간 지워졌군요.. 쓰는데는 지장이 없습니다. 

그런데 제가 듣기에는 850의 소리가 더 부드럽고 편안하네요.. 

어렵게 구했는데... 고민중입니다. 

상태는 전반적으로 좋더군요... 고음이 강한것 같구요...쏘는 느낌입니다. 

저는 부드러운 소리를 좋아하는데...럭스만이나 테크닉스류의 소리를 좋아하지요.. 

안녕하세요..^^ 

하이파이에 입문한지 얼마 안돼는 유저입니다. 

다름이 아니라 어제 장순영님에게 

SX-780을 구입하여. 

현재 집에 설치 하고(컴에 물려 사용중입니다.) 음악을 듣고 있습니다.. 

무슨 이런놈이 있습니까.. 

정말 훌룡하네요.. 너무 매칭이 좋습니다.. 

기존에 사용하던 AX7RMK2놈이 저음도 너무 약하고.. 

찌르는듯한 고음.. 

음악을 오래 들으면 머리가 아파오던기억이 뇌리를 스치내요.. 

현재 번가라 가며 음악을 비교 청취를 하고 있는데.. 

SX-780 이놈 정말 물건이네요... 

정말 단단한 저음을 부드럽게 뽑아줍니다. 

이글의 빌어 장순영님에게 좋은 제품 넘겨주셔서 감사하다는 말씀을 전하고 

싶군요.. 

한가지 유저님들에게 궁금한점을 문의 드리고 싶어서 

이렇게 몇자 적습니다.. 

혹시 파이오니아 SX-780에 대한 스팩 혹은 제조년등등 언제적 

판매가 되었던 제품이 었는지 아시는분 계시는지요?? 

인터넷 및 여러경로를 통해 알려해도 아는분도...자료도 검색되지 않네요.. 

또한 이 기기에 어울릴만한 CDP가 있다면 추천도 과감히 부탁드립니다..^^ 

피스만 쓰다가 하이파이로 넘어와 자금의 압박도 심한편이지만.. 

정말 만족할만한 소리를 듣는다는게 정말 행복합니다.. 

날씨가 정말 많이 싸늘해 졌습니다. 

유저님들 몸 잘관리하셔서 얼마남지 않은 올해 내후년에도 건강하시길.. 

기도합니다..^^ 

last modified date is 2003-12-16 23:38:44 and connected from 211.119.   .204

2003-12-16

23:46:19

211.54.   .44

파이오니아 SX-*** 빈티지 리시버 중에서 1000번대 이하 모델들은 스펙상 댐핑 펙터가 30 정도입니다. 음압 높은 대구경 우퍼 스피커를 물리면 저역 특성이 좋지 않았던 기억이 있습니다. 저의 경우, SX-550/828/838/980에 JBL 4312는 좋은 매칭이라곤 할 수 없겠더군요.

유영록 

2003-12-16

23:50:19

211.54.   .44

980은 매칭해보지 않았고, 1000번대 이상의 모델은 사용해본 경험이 없어서 모르겠습니다. 그리고... SX-780의 스펙은 일단 여기로...^_^;; == http://www.classic-audio.com/pioneer/sx0780.html

황정인 

2003-12-16

23:51:01

211.119.   .204

유영록님 답변 감사합니다. 그런데 댐핑 펙터가 무엇을 말씀하시는지.. 

아직은 하이파이쪽은 무뇌한이라....^^ 조금의 설명 부탁드립니다.....^^ 

감사합니다.

유영록 

2003-12-17

00:13:45

211.54.   .44

저역을 컨트롤하는 능력을 나타내는 수치라고 하는데, 30~40 정도면 음악을 듣는 데 가장 편안한 수치라고 합니다. 대부분 만족하므로 크게 신경쓰실 필요가 없습니다. 빈티지 앰프/리시버들은 대개 100 이하입니다. 현대적인 앰프들은 아주 높은 수치가 많습니다.

신정섭 

2003-12-17

03:43:25

141.223.   .121

실용오디오의 운영자님이 이 앰프를 사용하고 계시지요. 

저도 가지고 있고요. 

아주 좋은 앰프입니다.

이태우 

2003-12-17

09:21:51

211.54.   .203

저는 SX828사용하는데 괜찮습니다. 저역은 좀더 아래로 내려가 재생되는 것 같더군요 

좋은 앰프입니다. 가격대 성능비 짱입니다.

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해외 유저들 리뷰
파이오니아 SX-838 과 SX-939

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/receivers/pioneer/sx-838/prd_118741_1593crx.aspx#review0

Pioneer SX 838 Receivers Reviews

This is also for the SX-939. It was a pleasant surprise. I didn't expect it to sound as good as it does. A very warm and detailed sound. The best Pioneer I've heard so far.(내가 들어본 것중 베스트 파이오니아다) Comparable to any Marantz's I own.( 내가 가진 마어떤 마란츠와 비교해도) Doesn't seem to get hot like my SX-980. I could listen to it all day and not get tired. I paid 150$ for it and well worth the price. I don't know of any other receiver that you can get this cheap, that has that much power and sounds this good. This one is a keeper for me. Internally some controls are hard to access when using Deoxit or other contact cleaner.

Review 2 of 12

Price Paid:  $50.00 from ebay winter 2005

Summary:

This review is for the pioneer SX 939. The sx 838s big brother. You can get these units real reasonable. At 75 wpc (100) at 4 ohms. They are one of the best sounding and powerfull for the money. Once you clean all the switches and controls it performs wonderfully. The tuner on mine is a little touchy. Have to zero it in real close to get signal. Works well just touchy. This is a perfect 10 on value.

I had a sx 1010. It didnt sound as good, too boomy in the bass department and the s/n ratio not as good. It may have just been old and tired. ( 나는 SX 1010도 갖고있으나, 너무 부밍이 강해서 별로였다)
 
I also have a sx 850. That is a slightly better sounding unit (Near Perfect).It would have to be the best 65 watt receiver I have ever heard. (나는 sx-850도 보유중인데, 소리가 약간 더 좋은 기종이다. 내가 들어본 최고의 65W 리시버다)

I also have a kenwood kr-6600. Its nice and sounds smooth. At 60 watts(Kenwwod) its good but the sx 939 is a step up and the sx-850 is a slight step up from the sx939. ( sx-850 > sx-939 >켄우드 kr6600 이렇게 생각한다)

On ebay the sx939s are going cheeper than the sx850,950,1050 etc. all of which are wonerfull receivers but expensive. If your looking for best bang for your buck grab a sx-939. Otherwise might as well jump up to a sx-1250, Kenwood Kr9600 or a Marantz 2325.

이베이에서 sx939 는 850,950,1050 보다 가격이 점점 내려가고 있다. 모두 훌륭한 리시버지만 비싸다. 가격대 성능비를 생각하면, sx-939 를 질러라! 그렇지 않으면, 파이오니아 sx1250 , 켄우드 kr9600, 마란츠 2325 로!!

Strengths:

Pretty blue display, pioneer quality from 1975. Marantz 2270 is 2 to 3 times the price, which sounds simular. One of the best values out there.

Weaknesses:

Mine has a touchy tuner and controls were dirty when I bought it. Not quite as good as a sx-950 but half the price.

Similar Products Used:

pioneer sx-750, sx-850,sx-3700,sx-1010,kenwood kr-6600,Marantz 2245, Yamaha cr-1020, I can't remember them all.

Summary:

This is for the SX-939, not the SX-838 but they are almost the same.The 939 is 75 wpc RMS and the 838 is 50. I bought it on Ebay a few years ago from a seller who had 0 feedback and advertised it as an old receiver. What I got was a near mint(no scratches at all!!) in the original box with all the paperwork SX-939 receiver. I hooked it up to a pair of CS-99 speakers and this thing sounds AMAZING!! I never intend on getting rid of it. It sounds better and plays 100% louder than any new stuff you can find at bestbuy. I recommend it for anybody that wants lots of power, good sound, and about $300.(Its gone up a lot in value lately) 최근에 가격이 오르고 있다.

Strengths:

The look, the power, the feel of the knobs. The tuner section is the best I've ever heard.

Weaknesses:

Vinyl veneer on the sides. I wish it was wood, but nothing to speak of besides that.

Review 4 of 12

Price Paid:  $71.00 from Ebay

Summary:

Wanted a tuner but decided to see if I could get a better deal on a receiver. Back in 1974 I had envied the top of the line Pioneer receivers settling at that time for the SX 424. What a twist of fate - my patience paid off and I picked up the Pioneer SX 838 30 years later with shipping for 71.00 It was worth the wait! The receiver needed a few lamps replaced and a thorough cleaning. It is dynamite. Not only did I get a top notch tuner (superior to my old Sansui G6700) the preamp and amplifier are solid, partiularly when driving my vintage AR-2a sperakers from the same era. What I had purchased primarily for a decent FM raido and the nastalgic blue look of the Pioneer tuner is now at the hear of my entire system (and it has the hookups for everything including a feature that lets you record between differnt sources while listening to a third source. It also allows equalization by centering the bass and treble at two difference frequences (bass 200 and 400 and treble 2.4 and 5 hz) The spatial qualities are excellent. One more thing, it is rated at 50 watts - This is quite conservative it drives my AR2a's and JBL L110s better than my old Sansui G6700 which was rated at 90 watts.

Strengths:

Bass frequency reproduction is excellent. Hookups for everything. "Classic" 1970s appearance. FM excellent with honest signal strength meter. Weaker station signals appear relatively weaker although sound quality istill good.

Weaknesses:

I am spending entirely too much time listening to it. Actuallyl, I haven't found any yet.

Similar Products Used:

Pioneer SX 424, Sansui G 6700, Pioneer 535, Sansui 2000.

Review 5 of 12

Price Paid:  $20.00 from little secondhandsto

Summary:

I've had a Harman-Kardon Amp, it gave up 2 years after i buyed it. So, what to do ? I went to the little electronics second hand store at the corner near my app. I found this thing, heavy, old, ok. 20€ (Germany), why not. Connected it to my CD, DVD, PC, to the speakers. Switch on, pull up the volume - great ! I never had a so well balanced relation between a good bass, clear voices and crystalclear highs without anoying highsounds, or too much bumping basses. And a very warm sound, unique !

Strengths:

Power, clear and warm and strongful sound, at low and high volume.

Weaknesses:

I have the same Problem with the left speaker, sometimes it weaks down, dissapers. After "switching/trying" the selector, it works again...

Review 6 of 12 , from Panama City

Price Paid:  $50.00 from internet

Summary:

I am a audio nut, and really love vintage gear. I tend to like Marantz, but this pioneer has a lot of good qualites. I repair vintage equipment on the side, and this one had a problem with the function selector(AM,FM,Phono,Mic,Aux) once pressed the left speaker would cut out. I cleaned it well, and it seems to work fine now. This receiver it a good quality and is one of the best made, has a lot of power and sounds great at higher volume. I say pick one up, it you can find one.

Strengths:

Power, Clear, Strong Tuner

Weaknesses:

Selector Switch

Similar Products Used:

SX-737, SX-3800, SX-1250, SX-1980, Sansui-9090, Luxman R-1040

Review 7 of 12 , from Laramie, WY, 82070

Price Paid:  $20.00 from Garage Sale

Summary:

I bought this at a garage sale when I was 16 (about 4 years ago), without much in the way of money - but wanting to put together a stereo of my own. The reciever will push any speaker I have, or any speaker my dad has at home. It has great build quality, a massive power supply, a pretty good tuner, and LOTS of options for hook up. Plenty of power, clean sound, and I got it for a hell of a good price.

Strengths:

Power, aesthetics, options, build quality

Weaknesses:

huge, and very heavy... minor complaints for all the positive aspects!

Similar Products Used:

Pioneer SX 1700 - a great disapointment

Review 8 of 12 , from Weston, Ct.

Price Paid:  $50.00 from Moving Sale

Summary:

I tend to be pretty fussy when it comes to listening to music. I like the sound of the old tube type gear, and find that the newer stuff's sound comes no where close to it. I had been using a Technics SA-424 from 1981. While it was a good receiver, it had a very crisp sound to it which I did not like. So, while looking around at a moving sale, I found this Pioneer. I paid the $50 they were asking and brought it home. I was first surprised at how heavy it is... my Technics weighs nothing compared to this. I hooked it up to my Bose 201 speakers, and the sound was incredible. It wasn't crisp like the Technics, it was slightly more mellow and the bass sounds were more clearly defined. I honestly can't say enough about this reciever... the FM tuner's sensitivity is great. With just a fairly short piece of TV wire, I can get stations in from NY that sound as good as the stations based locally. The signal metre is also nice; as is the tuning metre... although I wouldn't trust it too much, it seems that the stereo indicator only comes on just about when you have tuned past the station. Still, I just can't say enough good things about this great receiver. If you see one in good condition, be sure to pick it up. You won't find anything like it on store shelves.

Strengths:

60 watts per channel- very powerful with excellent bass and treble, supporting 3 sets of speakers at 8-16 ohms. Not one, but TWO phonograph inputs, and TWO tape inputs. Allows you to adjust bass and treble for just one channel at a time if you want. There are also indicators on the dial that tell you which set of speakers are being used, and what input device you are using. Very useful, because it is hard to see where the small line is pointing on the selector switch. The signal strength and tuning metres are also nice. This unit also makes it easy to connect the speakers. Simply unplug the plastic adapter, connect the speakers to that, and then reconnect them in the back. All of these things are great, but I think the best thing about this reciever is it's sensitive FM tuner, which I have yet to see be equalled.

Weaknesses:

None so far.

Similar Products Used:

Technics SA- 424, Sansui clone (w/ no name), Kenwood KR-2090

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Rating

Reviewed by:

Jim Burrill

(Audio Enthusiast) 

Review Date

December 12, 2001

Overall Rating

 4 of 5

Value Rating

 4 of 5

Used product for

Less than 1 month

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Review 9 of 12 , from Ft. Collins/Loveland, Colorado, USA

Price Paid:  $83.00 from ebay

Summary:

I bought this receiver on Ebay, and am pleasantly surprised at it's performance. It's currently the center of my audio system. I had to do a little "tweaking" of the FM section for optimum reception, but once it was peaked, it's the best FM tuner in the house. For a 30 year old product, it's great. Mine works like brand new.

Strengths:

FM tuner sensitivity, seems as sensitive as any I've used. Strong amplifier drives 4 ohm loads with great sound, almost no heat. I also used the "dolby adapter" output to drive another amplifier in my listening room.

Weaknesses:

Use a strong shelf unit because this baby is heavy.

Similar Products Used:

Pioneer SX650, SX890, SX780. Technics SA-460 receiver. Marantz 2235B.

Review 10 of 12 , from Wind Gap, PA, USA

Summary:

I've had a pioneer sx-838 for about 4 years now. a friend of mine gave it to me. I like to listen to my music loud, so it goes through a lot. I blew the main amp out in it 2 years ago. I am just finally fixing it.

the preamp input/output on the back really came in handy. I put another amp on it. still works great!

I'm working on an electronics web page. There aren't too many out there, so I'm making one. check it out then.

www.mattsoft.net

Strengths:

lots of power, hook-ups/options, and very well built.

Weaknesses:

like any amp, parts get week after a while, and smoke comes out. :-) but fixable

Review 11 of 12 , from Wichita, KS

Price Paid:  $300.00 from eBay

Summary:

Blows the doors off of modern lightweight junk with (DREAM ON) "100 watts X 5 channels" out of a twenty pound box. This unit keeps right up there with some of the big boys like Sansui and Pioneer SX and even has some features they don't have like two headphone jacks and two microphone input jacks. Fantastic buy if you can find one on the net.

Strengths:

POWER, perfect sound, bass thump, clean, clear mids and sweet highs

Weaknesses:

NONE.

Similar Products Used:

Pioneer SX-1250, Sansui 9090DB, lots of modern stuff including NAD, Adcom, B&K, Parasound

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Review 12 of 12

Summary:

I have a SX 838. This receiver does about 80+ watts into 8 ohms, and about 100+ watts into 4 ohms. This is when they put enough heat sink in them to be safe into 4 ohms! It has a twin "dual gate" mos-fet front-end, and 4 each crystal filters, so the fm is sensitivety in unmatched with any thing out there today. It seems that every modern receiver's signal meter just jumps to the far right when you get next to a station, regardless of that stations strenth. Whereas the 838's meter shows relative signal strenth. I suspect the public thought there was something amiss, and pioneer dropped this effort after this series. Because the receiver can resolve a very week station, and soung good, the meter only shows mabey 1 or even a half out of a posible 5 on a week station. All so this was the first time a receiver hade a "smart " speaker switch. You could hook up 3 sets of speakers. but you could only listen to 2 pair at a time! What a repair bill saver. Probibly the most unusuall control was the record selector switch. This allowed you to record a tape from a record while listening to the radio, or vise versa.....Cool! ok enough